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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 13:25:49 GMT -6
Who would have thought that in 2014, Slavery still existed, My daughter was told by the Head Women Basketball Coach that "She Owned Her" and that she would not release her. She wanted to decomit from Grambling after realizing she didn't want to be 10 hours from home. She followed procedure and asked for a release then being told, "I will not release you, I own you!" This denial ties up a Grambling scholarship offer and ties up a kid from being able to go to college closer to home without putting a financial hardship on her and her family. She was also denied the chance to even try talking to another school that would have no bearing on the denial of the release, just to be able to talk to another school to see if they would allow her to sit a year and if any scholarships available at the school. Grambling has in the meantime had 10+ players commit to the program, which is really ridiculous as to why you would still hold on to a player that doesn't want to and will not attend the university. They claim that tampering is the reason for the denial of releasing which is a load of crap! We in the meantime purchased hundreds of dollars of merchandise with the Grambling Logo, after committing so Grambling was the choice and no one tampered or persuaded this child to not attend. The fact that she awoke in the middle of the night after stressing about the distance from home is the only reason for decommitting. It is understood that a contract was signed but morally is this right? I am appalled over the treatment that this University has displayed to our family. The fact that Grambling thinks of their players as a piece of property is unreal. We have asked for return calls to even speak with the Coach regarding this matter all have went unanswered and ignored. Hoping maybe the new president can address this matter since no one else seems to care. With all the bad publicity that Grambling has had it would seem that they would try to resolve unnecessary issues before blown into the media then out of proportion. The Coach is being so spiteful, that another college a JR. College contacted her and asked if my daughter attended the JUCO for a year would she release her and the answer was NO, not I will think about it, maybe, but NO, so now Grambling has money to just sit for 2 years just out of being spiteful when that money could go to a deserving student that is wanting to attend the university. I wonder if any of the girls on the team, needed any additional aid? Would make me wonder why my child cannot get aid when they are holding a full scholarship for a player that doesn't want to be there!
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Post by gmanwest on Jun 3, 2014 14:25:35 GMT -6
My answer is the same: Quran I hear your concern and read it carefully, but I have to side with the Head Coach in this matter.....You are setting a bad precedent with your daughter by teaching her that contracts or NLI's are not binding.....I am sure when your daughther signed with Grambling your entire family along with her felt it was her best option at the time.....The reason that the NCAA ask for players and universities to sign these NLI's are to protect your daughther as well as our university.....How would you feel if your daughter had a bad senior season and then Grambling had decided not to honor it's commitment with your daughther?.....I would be pizzed and so would you. At Grambling State University we are not going to set the precedent of releasing players after they have signed a binding document....Your dauther shouldn't be treated any better or worse than the other players that signed....GSU would be naïve too release all 10 of the players and start recruiting over from scratch....I think you and your daughter should take the high road and decide to come to Grambling an honor her NLI and try to become the best Lady Tiger that she can be.....I don't advise Grambling what to do, but if I did my advice would be not to set that precendence because it opens up a can of worms....I am dumbfounded to even think that your daughter would consider spending one day at any Junior College in America versus Grambling....I have been on Junior College campuses from Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia.....There is not a single one that I would have considered sending my daughter or son to over any 4 year instituition.....Your daughter is uninformed if she is thinking about a professional basketball career over the game of LIFE!.....At Grambling she will get life lessons and if she is good enough she will get an opportunity to play professionally. Let me give you an example where the door swing both ways.....A former GSU football player signed with S Miss. and under no circumstances would they release him too play at Grambling which was 30 minutes from his home town.....They stuck by their guns and we understood that....Now you are faced with a choice, you can let her go to a Junior college and let her risk an injury or let her come to Grambling on full scholarship and become the best she can be on the basketball court and in the classroom.....You also can get a white school too pay her way as she sit out at one of their schools. I am not trying to be a hard azz because I understand your post clearly, but I also understand Grambling's position....I have a problem when parents and players try too strong arm their way out of a commitment at a HBCU and it is horrible that you are not leading her better.....GSU is the same distance from your daughter house or hometown as it was when she came on her visit and decided too sign the NLI.....Have you considered repaying Grambling every dime GSU spent on recruiting your daughter?.....If not, why? Read more: gogrambling.proboards.com/thread/5008/grambling-state-holds-player-hostage?page=1&scrollTo=102312#ixzz33bs0BbcJ
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Post by edcrane on Jun 4, 2014 7:49:32 GMT -6
What I can't understand is the young lady knew it was ten hours away when she signed the letter of intent so that close to home statement is a load of crap! Leave Grambling State for a Junior college, Please! This sh@t don't smell right to me. My advise to you and your daughter is to buckle down and attend GSU and pay her dues. Grambling State is a great university and your daughter will love it. Now if after two years of attending she don't like it then go to the coach and ask for a release.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 10:57:56 GMT -6
These are kids making these decisions, that we are all giving life decisions too! Yes she knew it was 10 hours and as it became closer she realized it was just too far and she didn't want to go. No one ever said that she would be attending a JUCO, she hasn't decided what she is going to do at this point attend a JUCO or sitting out a year at a 4 year university are her options. No way would I make my child go to a school were she is thought of as a piece of property! She is willing to face her penalty to loose a year of eligibility.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 11:19:35 GMT -6
THE POPE; Actually I have offered to pay back every dime of the official visit. We understand and accept the penalty of not honoring the NLI, and were willing to sit out the year, but when people begin to do things out of spite is what I have a problem with. Okay punish the kid don't release her, but allow her to communicate and or talk to other schools to at least try to get in somewhere else. I wouldn't send my dog anywhere were they are thought of as a piece of property, my child was told that she is OWNED! WOW really and just to let you know that statement has yet to be denied that it was said, not one time has she or anyone else told me that she said she didn't say it, because she did. What I said about the 10 players was that since my child decided it was to far for her...10 girls have committed to the program. And I am leading her better, I told her the consequences and she decided that being close to her family was worth a year of sitting out of playing basketball for one year. And actually this year a player from a JUCO school decided not to attend Grambling as well. So are you saying that Grambling never releases players from NLI contracts? And by no means am I trying to strong arm our way out anything, you have replaced my child with 2-3 players, after telling her if she signed you wouldn't sign another player in her position, which was a lie as well. Sir put yourself in my shoes, what if your child came to you and told you that they just couldn't go that far from home, yeah you would tell them they shouldn't have never signed, but you wouldn't MAKE THEM, she is willing to accept her penalty, I would never make my child or the 50+ girls in my organization attend a school they didn't want to especially if they wanted to be closer to their family. I wouldn't want the kid to end up dropping out of school just because they wanted to be closer to home and be 10 hours away unhappy! At the end of the day this is about getting kids in school to get an education to better themselves. All I am saying is Grambling doesn't have to release her they could have at least given her the opportunity to talk to other schools by lifting the recruiting ban. I feel this is being done out of spite, and that's my perception of this situation. My daughter has learned a very valuable lesson from Grambling, one she will never forget nor will many other people forget either.
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Post by edcrane on Jun 4, 2014 12:07:02 GMT -6
THE POPE; Actually I have offered to pay back every dime of the official visit. We understand and accept the penalty of not honoring the NLI, and were willing to sit out the year, but when people begin to do things out of spite is what I have a problem with. Okay punish the kid don't release her, but allow her to communicate and or talk to other schools to at least try to get in somewhere else. I wouldn't send my dog anywhere were they are thought of as a piece of property, my child was told that she is OWNED! WOW really and just to let you know that statement has yet to be denied that it was said, not one time has she or anyone else told me that she said she didn't say it, because she did. What I said about the 10 players was that since my child decided it was to far for her...10 girls have committed to the program. And I am leading her better, I told her the consequences and she decided that being close to her family was worth a year of sitting out of playing basketball for one year. And actually this year a player from a JUCO school decided not to attend Grambling as well. So are you saying that Grambling never releases players from NLI contracts? And by no means am I trying to strong arm our way out anything, you have replaced my child with 2-3 players, after telling her if she signed you wouldn't sign another player in her position, which was a lie as well. Sir put yourself in my shoes, what if your child came to you and told you that they just couldn't go that far from home, yeah you would tell them they shouldn't have never signed, but you wouldn't MAKE THEM, she is willing to accept her penalty, I would never make my child or the 50+ girls in my organization attend a school they didn't want to especially if they wanted to be closer to their family. I wouldn't want the kid to end up dropping out of school just because they wanted to be closer to home and be 10 hours away unhappy! At the end of the day this is about getting kids in school to get an education to better themselves. All I am saying is Grambling doesn't have to release her they could have at least given her the opportunity to talk to other schools by lifting the recruiting ban. I feel this is being done out of spite, and that's my perception of this situation. My daughter has learned a very valuable lesson from Grambling, one she will never forget nor will many other people forget either. Since she doesn't want to attend the Mighty Grambling State University, then I suggest you and your daughter make a trip to the campus and discuss this matter in person to the Head Coach and the AD. Hope to GOD they release her so another young women who wants a chance to play for Grambling can! I don't want no one at Grambling who doesn't appreciate the opportunity. Like I said something has change your daughters mind and I fail to believe it's a ten hour distance thing now but to each is his/her own. Still wish your daughter the best in life. Long Live Grambling State University!
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Post by gmanwest on Jun 4, 2014 15:20:32 GMT -6
These are kids making these decisions, that we are all giving life decisions too! Yes she knew it was 10 hours and as it became closer she realized it was just too far and she didn't want to go. No one ever said that she would be attending a JUCO, she hasn't decided what she is going to do at this point attend a JUCO or sitting out a year at a 4 year university are her options. No way would I make my child go to a school were she is thought of as a piece of property! She is willing to face her penalty to loose a year of eligibility. Please squelch that piece of property talk....You are talking about her attending a Junior college and you are trying too lead us too believe that she is being treated like a piece of property....If you seriously felt that way the last place you would be considering is a Junior college.....Now you are welcolm to let your daughter talk you into letting her go to a 4 year school and sitting out as you pay her way.....Mine would never have that choice and I would have made it clear to her along time ago.....I have said that Grambling shouldn't set a precedent of letting kids not honor papers they signed....You can bet that it is players at other schools that are further away from home than 10 hours and the coaches will not let them out of their Letter Intent.....Matter of fact, my nephew was the starting center at Ohio State and wanted to leave to get closer to home.....You don't even want to know how that came out.
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Post by gmanwest on Jun 4, 2014 15:26:36 GMT -6
THE POPE; Actually I have offered to pay back every dime of the official visit. We understand and accept the penalty of not honoring the NLI, and were willing to sit out the year, but when people begin to do things out of spite is what I have a problem with. Okay punish the kid don't release her, but allow her to communicate and or talk to other schools to at least try to get in somewhere else. I wouldn't send my dog anywhere were they are thought of as a piece of property, my child was told that she is OWNED! WOW really and just to let you know that statement has yet to be denied that it was said, not one time has she or anyone else told me that she said she didn't say it, because she did. What I said about the 10 players was that since my child decided it was to far for her...10 girls have committed to the program. And I am leading her better, I told her the consequences and she decided that being close to her family was worth a year of sitting out of playing basketball for one year. And actually this year a player from a JUCO school decided not to attend Grambling as well. So are you saying that Grambling never releases players from NLI contracts? And by no means am I trying to strong arm our way out anything, you have replaced my child with 2-3 players, after telling her if she signed you wouldn't sign another player in her position, which was a lie as well. Sir put yourself in my shoes, what if your child came to you and told you that they just couldn't go that far from home, yeah you would tell them they shouldn't have never signed, but you wouldn't MAKE THEM, she is willing to accept her penalty, I would never make my child or the 50+ girls in my organization attend a school they didn't want to especially if they wanted to be closer to their family. I wouldn't want the kid to end up dropping out of school just because they wanted to be closer to home and be 10 hours away unhappy! At the end of the day this is about getting kids in school to get an education to better themselves. All I am saying is Grambling doesn't have to release her they could have at least given her the opportunity to talk to other schools by lifting the recruiting ban. I feel this is being done out of spite, and that's my perception of this situation. My daughter has learned a very valuable lesson from Grambling, one she will never forget nor will many other people forget either. Since she doesn't want to attend the Mighty Grambling State University, then I suggest you and your daughter make a trip to the campus and discuss this matter in person to the Head Coach and the AD. Hope to GOD they release her so another young women who wants a chance to play for Grambling can! I don't want no one at Grambling who doesn't appreciate the opportunity. Like I said something has change your daughters mind and I fail to believe it's a ten hour distance thing now but to each is his/her own. Still wish your daughter the best in life. Long Live Grambling State University! No sir brotha, I wouldn't agree to release even your son if he had signed a binding NLI.....That is why the NCAA has the NLI in place.....Kids would be jumping school everyday.....Did you forget when Ryan Perriloux was at LSU and Les Miles wouldn't release him to attend Grambling....This happens all the time.....Don't you see kids still going to LSU too play?
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Post by gmanwest on Jun 4, 2014 15:30:53 GMT -6
These are kids making these decisions, that we are all giving life decisions too! Yes she knew it was 10 hours and as it became closer she realized it was just too far and she didn't want to go. No one ever said that she would be attending a JUCO, she hasn't decided what she is going to do at this point attend a JUCO or sitting out a year at a 4 year university are her options. No way would I make my child go to a school were she is thought of as a piece of property! She is willing to face her penalty to loose a year of eligibility. Those kids can't make decisions on their own.....Please tell everyone that you also had too sign the paperwork for it too be binding?....Don't just put it on the kid.....AAU coaches are cutting backdoor deals and selling these kids everywhere.....Did someone else get paid that you don't know about?....I am just asking because I have heard of it happening.....My grand daughther played AAU ball, so I know how some of those guys deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 7:03:30 GMT -6
You are absolutely correct I signed it as well and asked her several times was she sure just like any parent would do! NOTHING CHANGED HER MIND other than the distance, and her family not being able to travel that far to games, visits etc.. Your correct this does happen all the time and will continue to happen, but my deal is something has got to change with the whole procedure of the NLI, it's really one sided. Grambling had many decisions in this matter, they could have released her, stipulated her not attend another HBCU, or not released her and lifted the recruiting ban to allow her to talk to schools to see if she could get athletic aid and also stipulated no HBCU or any school they felt to say no too. But instead they told her NO THEY OWNED HER, harassed her constantly, ignored phone calls and messages from the parents, never spoke to her parent about the situation after several calls. My whole problem with this whole situation is not the release, she signed she should suffer the consequences of the breaking the contract, but why would you not give her the opportunity to communicate with another school to try to attend another school, she cannot talk to another program to even get athletic aid, that was my problem. In the end GOD always works it out, she has opportunities at great JUCO's and she has opportunities at other D1- schools willing to allow her to sit a year, AIN'T GOD GOOD! And to the person that spoke poorly of AAU Coaches and programs, im so sorry you ran into a bad program but just like anything else there are good and bad, and thank GOD I have never been referred to as BAD, that's why we continue to be blessed and our players do to with a FREE EDUCATION!!!
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Post by edcrane on Jun 5, 2014 7:11:38 GMT -6
You are absolutely correct I signed it as well and asked her several times was she sure just like any parent would do! NOTHING CHANGED HER MIND other than the distance, and her family not being able to travel that far to games, visits etc.. Your correct this does happen all the time and will continue to happen, but my deal is something has got to change with the whole procedure of the NLI, it's really one sided. Grambling had many decisions in this matter, they could have released her, stipulated her not attend another HBCU, or not released her and lifted the recruiting ban to allow her to talk to schools to see if she could get athletic aid and also stipulated no HBCU or any school they felt to say no too. But instead they told her NO THEY OWNED HER, harassed her constantly, ignored phone calls and messages from the parents, never spoke to her parent about the situation after several calls. My whole problem with this whole situation is not the release, she signed she should suffer the consequences of the breaking the contract, but why would you not give her the opportunity to communicate with another school to try to attend another school, she cannot talk to another program to even get athletic aid, that was my problem. In the end GOD always works it out, she has opportunities at great JUCO's and she has opportunities at other D1- schools willing to allow her to sit a year, AIN'T GOD GOOD! And to the person that spoke poorly of AAU Coaches and programs, im so sorry you ran into a bad program but just like anything else there are good and bad, and thank GOD I have never been referred to as BAD, that's why we continue to be blessed and our players do to with a FREE EDUCATION!!! Lets hear it from you, Grambling State is being talked about bad again from you and your family. This will come as no surprise to me. I wish my son could have gotten a scholarship to play basketball at the Mighty GSU. It would have been more of a pleasure to drive from the Lone Star state.
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Post by gmanwest on Jun 5, 2014 10:06:24 GMT -6
You are absolutely correct I signed it as well and asked her several times was she sure just like any parent would do! NOTHING CHANGED HER MIND other than the distance, and her family not being able to travel that far to games, visits etc.. Your correct this does happen all the time and will continue to happen, but my deal is something has got to change with the whole procedure of the NLI, it's really one sided. Grambling had many decisions in this matter, they could have released her, stipulated her not attend another HBCU, or not released her and lifted the recruiting ban to allow her to talk to schools to see if she could get athletic aid and also stipulated no HBCU or any school they felt to say no too. But instead they told her NO THEY OWNED HER, harassed her constantly, ignored phone calls and messages from the parents, never spoke to her parent about the situation after several calls. My whole problem with this whole situation is not the release, she signed she should suffer the consequences of the breaking the contract, but why would you not give her the opportunity to communicate with another school to try to attend another school, she cannot talk to another program to even get athletic aid, that was my problem. In the end GOD always works it out, she has opportunities at great JUCO's and she has opportunities at other D1- schools willing to allow her to sit a year, AIN'T GOD GOOD! And to the person that spoke poorly of AAU Coaches and programs, im so sorry you ran into a bad program but just like anything else there are good and bad, and thank GOD I have never been referred to as BAD, that's why we continue to be blessed and our players do to with a FREE EDUCATION!!! No, I disagree with you Quran.....The NLI is 2 sided because it not only protects the college, but it also protects your daughter.....Oh, it now seems that you are also an AAU coach.....Now if that is the case, you should be fully aware of NLI's.....May God bless your daughter if she decide to go the Juco route and I only hope for her sake that that honored her wish by not recruiting another player at her position.....It is so that you as a black person can call Jucos great and then try to talk down on a HBCU.....You are brainwashed....I have more experience with Juco programs than you could ever have and there is not a single one that I would even consider calling great.....Jucos are athletic factories full of elderly people and academically challenged young people trying to navigate the hustle and bustle of the system.....Good luck to you on that and God is wonderful!!!!.....Surely, she will be attending a Juco close to home otherwise it definitely is some hypocrisy in your post and don't blame God for that.....That's on YOU!.
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