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Post by gmanwest on May 13, 2014 14:17:32 GMT -6
When it comes to the likes of you it has become what you typed. However, I say some of the things which you type on this board are a load of crap! Grambling State has improved over the last ten years and it will continue to improve as long as we have Alumni like myself, Carl, Gmanwest, Ray Higgins, Cflemon, Tigerdiva and others that care so much for our beloved university. I'm always telling kids to consider Grambling and don't believe all the negative sh@t they hear. Also I have always told my sons that Grambling isn't perfect but it sho ain't half as bad as some have lead others to believe. Now once the Library gets renovated which the ULS Board has approved the $10 million for the renovation and the new improved Intramural/Wellness Center comes on line then we will have more great facilities to show future recruits. In all my years of talking to students in Texas and South Arkansas is that academics didn't keep them from attending Grambling but it was those horrible dorms and other facilities. Long Live Grambling State University and it will! All I will say, any potential students and parents should be very concerns about the academics, I believe most people/families, especially black folks, attend college and sacrifice accordingly to learn, to prepare, to obtain additional life-skills, to apply subsequently towards education endeavors or to apply towards earning a livelihood, and not just for the experience. Remember GSU's primary mission/objective is to provide adequate educational opportunities, first and far most. For us as Alumni/stakeholders to discount or trivialize the importance of academics is reckless, selfish, irresponsible, and ungodly; especially after many of us have received our education via a much different or more proficient GSU. Grambling will never be good enough for alumni like you......We understand.....As far as alumni like you, it would help if you would contribute something positive, contribute something financially, get more personally involved, or just get out of the way period.
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Post by pink12 on May 13, 2014 18:58:59 GMT -6
Yes sir. Thank you kindly for the advice. Carry-on.
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Post by mrevans on May 14, 2014 0:25:21 GMT -6
All I will say, any potential students and parents should be very concerns about the academics, I believe most people/families, especially black folks, attend college and sacrifice accordingly to learn, to prepare, to obtain additional life-skills, to apply subsequently towards education endeavors or to apply towards earning a livelihood, and not just for the experience. Remember GSU's primary mission/objective is to provide adequate educational opportunities, first and far most. For us as Alumni/stakeholders to discount or trivialize the importance of academics is reckless, selfish, irresponsible, and ungodly; especially after many of us have received our education via a much different or more proficient GSU. Grambling State has always provide an adequate education in the past and it's still doing it today. Grambling State University is accredited by / is a candidate for accreditation with the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges to award associate, baccalaureate, masters, and doctorate degrees. Contact the Commission on Colleges at 1866 Southern Lane, Decatur, Georgia 30033-4097 or call 404-679-4500 for questions about the accreditation of Grambling State University. Grambling State University has 46 accredited programs, of which, 95.7% of all degree programs and 100% of all graduate degree programs are accredited. Grambling is accredited by 18 separate accrediting associations, a member in good standing in 20 organizations and is 100% accredited in all of the programs required by the Louisiana Board of Regents. During spring 2010, Grambling underwent reaffirmation of accreditations or reviews by the following associations: •International Association Advance Collegiate Schools of Business (AACSB) •National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) •National Council for Accreditation of Teacher Education (NCATE) •Southern Association of Colleges and Schools (SACS) Would you mind sharing your source for this post? The Louisiana Board of Regents requires that all academic programs for which an accrediting agency exists to be accredited. Under President Favors and Interim President Warner, we achieved and maintained 100% accreditation among our programs for which accrediting agencies existed. The accomplishment surprised the ULS Board of Supervisors. During the Judson Administration, we lost one of our accreditations. I don't know which accreditation we lost, but the Judson Administration suddenly talking about having 98% of our programs accredited. Now suddenly we see that the University is bragging about having 95.7% "of all degree programs" accredited. This percentage is 44/46 rounded to one decimal point. In other words, we now have two programs that should be accredited but are not. The assertion that 100% accredited in all programs required by the Board of Regents sounds like the stuff the Administration was claiming about our School of Nursing. We were told that the GSU pass rate on the NCLEX was 100%. It turns out that the claim was an outright lie. This Administration inherited a pass rate of 83%. To remain in good standing, the NCLEX pass rate for our graduates must be at least 80%. However, our current Administration has never seen the pass rate on the NCLEX meet or exceed the 80% threshold. Worse, GSU's pass rate has dropped each year. It is now below 70%. As a result, GSU is not allowed to enroll new students in the nursing program. Students who want to study nursing at GSU are being directed to other institutions. The School of Nursing is not our only challenge in academics--not nearly. What this means is that our Interim President and Provost and the permanent officers that follow them have massive challenges to meet. It is imperative that we choose the right people.
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Post by pink12 on May 14, 2014 8:12:54 GMT -6
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Post by edcrane on May 14, 2014 8:19:30 GMT -6
Grambling State has always provide an adequate education in the past and it's still doing it today. Grambling State University is accredited by / is a candidate for accreditation with the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges to award associate, baccalaureate, masters, and doctorate degrees. Contact the Commission on Colleges at 1866 Southern Lane, Decatur, Georgia 30033-4097 or call 404-679-4500 for questions about the accreditation of Grambling State University. Grambling State University has 46 accredited programs, of which, 95.7% of all degree programs and 100% of all graduate degree programs are accredited. Grambling is accredited by 18 separate accrediting associations, a member in good standing in 20 organizations and is 100% accredited in all of the programs required by the Louisiana Board of Regents. During spring 2010, Grambling underwent reaffirmation of accreditations or reviews by the following associations: •International Association Advance Collegiate Schools of Business (AACSB) •National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) •National Council for Accreditation of Teacher Education (NCATE) •Southern Association of Colleges and Schools (SACS) Would you mind sharing your source for this post? The Louisiana Board of Regents requires that all academic programs for which an accrediting agency exists to be accredited. Under President Favors and Interim President Warner, we achieved and maintained 100% accreditation among our programs for which accrediting agencies existed. The accomplishment surprised the ULS Board of Supervisors. During the Judson Administration, we lost one of our accreditations. I don't know which accreditation we lost, but the Judson Administration suddenly talking about having 98% of our programs accredited. Now suddenly we see that the University is bragging about having 95.7% "of all degree programs" accredited. This percentage is 44/46 rounded to one decimal point. In other words, we now have two programs that should be accredited but are not. The assertion that 100% accredited in all programs required by the Board of Regents sounds like the stuff the Administration was claiming about our School of Nursing. We were told that the GSU pass rate on the NCLEX was 100%. It turns out that the claim was an outright lie. This Administration inherited a pass rate of 83%. To remain in good standing, the NCLEX pass rate for our graduates must be at least 80%. However, our current Administration has never seen the pass rate on the NCLEX meet or exceed the 80% threshold. Worse, GSU's pass rate has dropped each year. It is now below 70%. As a result, GSU is not allowed to enroll new students in the nursing program. Students who want to study nursing at GSU are being directed to other institutions. The School of Nursing is not our only challenge in academics--not nearly. What this means is that our Interim President and Provost and the permanent officers that follow them have massive challenges to meet. It is imperative that we choose the right people. You can find it on the GSU website and if you think they are lieing please contact the ULS Board and complain like you and Pink12 does most of the time on this board.
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Post by edcrane on May 14, 2014 8:27:46 GMT -6
This is were we differ because most schools are not failing our young people but the damn parents are not doing their job at home by making it mandatory you do your best in school with education comes first and foremost. A lot of our young African American males are not being taught at home first to be responsible and respectful. The teachers are having a rough time because if their is no structure at home then its hell at school. It all starts at home. I have always told other parents, teachers and my boys that my home isn't a democracy but a dictatorship and I'm the d@mn KING!
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Post by gmanwest on May 14, 2014 9:09:16 GMT -6
This is were we differ because most schools are not failing our young people but the damn parents are not doing their job at home by making it mandatory you do your best in school with education comes first and foremost. A lot of our young African American males are not being taught at home first to be responsible and respectful. The teachers are having a rough time because if their is no structure at home then its hell at school. It all starts at home. I have always told other parents, teachers and my boys that my home isn't a democracy but a dictatorship and I'm the d@mn KING! Ed This is where everyone is missing the boat.....If those kids are not passing at our school, then how in the hell you think they would fare at another pwc?.....I know most of the kids that I have sent to GSU or convinced to attend GSU have fared pretty damn good......Matter of fact, most are doing excellent.
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Post by gmanwest on May 14, 2014 9:12:35 GMT -6
Grambling State has always provide an adequate education in the past and it's still doing it today. Grambling State University is accredited by / is a candidate for accreditation with the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges to award associate, baccalaureate, masters, and doctorate degrees. Contact the Commission on Colleges at 1866 Southern Lane, Decatur, Georgia 30033-4097 or call 404-679-4500 for questions about the accreditation of Grambling State University. Grambling State University has 46 accredited programs, of which, 95.7% of all degree programs and 100% of all graduate degree programs are accredited. Grambling is accredited by 18 separate accrediting associations, a member in good standing in 20 organizations and is 100% accredited in all of the programs required by the Louisiana Board of Regents. During spring 2010, Grambling underwent reaffirmation of accreditations or reviews by the following associations: •International Association Advance Collegiate Schools of Business (AACSB) •National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) •National Council for Accreditation of Teacher Education (NCATE) •Southern Association of Colleges and Schools (SACS) Would you mind sharing your source for this post? The Louisiana Board of Regents requires that all academic programs for which an accrediting agency exists to be accredited. Under President Favors and Interim President Warner, we achieved and maintained 100% accreditation among our programs for which accrediting agencies existed. The accomplishment surprised the ULS Board of Supervisors. During the Judson Administration, we lost one of our accreditations. I don't know which accreditation we lost, but the Judson Administration suddenly talking about having 98% of our programs accredited. Now suddenly we see that the University is bragging about having 95.7% "of all degree programs" accredited. This percentage is 44/46 rounded to one decimal point. In other words, we now have two programs that should be accredited but are not. The assertion that 100% accredited in all programs required by the Board of Regents sounds like the stuff the Administration was claiming about our School of Nursing. We were told that the GSU pass rate on the NCLEX was 100%. It turns out that the claim was an outright lie. This Administration inherited a pass rate of 83%. To remain in good standing, the NCLEX pass rate for our graduates must be at least 80%. However, our current Administration has never seen the pass rate on the NCLEX meet or exceed the 80% threshold. Worse, GSU's pass rate has dropped each year. It is now below 70%. As a result, GSU is not allowed to enroll new students in the nursing program. Students who want to study nursing at GSU are being directed to other institutions. The School of Nursing is not our only challenge in academics--not nearly. What this means is that our Interim President and Provost and the permanent officers that follow them have massive challenges to meet. It is imperative that we choose the right people. My only question to you is why in the hell were you not telling us about that before Ed post?....You damn sure made yourself clear when Judson was the president.....Why the Dr. Pogue silence?.....Were you scared or are you waiting in the bushes to push your preference for the next GSU president?
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Post by pink12 on May 14, 2014 10:11:37 GMT -6
This is were we differ because most schools are not failing our young people but the damn parents are not doing their job at home by making it mandatory you do your best in school with education comes first and foremost. A lot of our young African American males are not being taught at home first to be responsible and respectful. The teachers are having a rough time because if their is no structure at home then its hell at school. It all starts at home. I have always told other parents, teachers and my boys that my home isn't a democracy but a dictatorship and I'm the d@mn KING! Sir, I concur with you wholeheartedly. It starts at home. The tenor of my post was to share that accreditations do not necessarily reflect effectiveness and proficiencies. I look to my experience at GSU and compared it to what I hear and what I observe personably; and discern matters are materially different, and not, necessarily where it matters most. Yes, the cafe, student housing and student union and other amenities have truly improved; however, I do not ever recall entering a GSU classroom and told to sign a piece of paper as the roll for attendance purposes because no educator has been assigned to your class slot. This is two or three weeks into the semester. Yes, professors missed classes for personal or professional reasons. I recall industry and Government entities lining up for GSU's Computer Science students and many business students alike. I recall many students had several co-op opportunities/experiences before they left GSU. I recall an English Department/advance composition course that was quite rigorous, because this skill-set was important because your written and public speaking proficiencies represented Grambling State University; and you were going to be prepared accordingly or else. I will suggest that a proficient and well equipped, Science Dept. undergirds the School of Nursing, those students and their proficiencies and potential success on National Examinations. Visit Grambling Laboratory Schools, especially the Senior High School and examine its operations, and facilities. Historically, the lab schools have produced some of the best and brightest. What GSU stakeholder/Alumni would not have expected GSU to be more proficient in all aspect, compared to when he/she attended GSU or Grambling College especially where academic proficiencies and effectiveness are concern? I believe such is a natural sense and expectation, for continuous progress and improvements. Alternatively, at a minimum, maintain similar academic proficiencies and effectiveness, relatively speaking. I do not believe anyone expecting GSU to be a Harvard or the likes, although, daily and collectively we as stakeholder should be striving towards such standards, just be the very best GSU. Just recently, I saw where the outgoing president finally admitted that the funding situation (I add the changing management (President, VPs, Directors, and Deans) and mixed mission) has adversely affected academic programs. I suggest the assertion is real; however, the admission is delayed and the timeliness of may be self-serving. I am not trying to be dogmatic towards GSU in any manner; it is truly disappointing to me. Sincerely, I would prefer to tell a young person to “go to GSU” rather than “consider GSU” starting at home.
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Post by mrevans on May 14, 2014 11:07:36 GMT -6
This is were we differ because most schools are not failing our young people but the damn parents are not doing their job at home by making it mandatory you do your best in school with education comes first and foremost. A lot of our young African American males are not being taught at home first to be responsible and respectful. The teachers are having a rough time because if their is no structure at home then its hell at school. It all starts at home. I have always told other parents, teachers and my boys that my home isn't a democracy but a dictatorship and I'm the d@mn KING! Sir, I concur with you wholeheartedly. It starts at home. The tenor of my post was to share that accreditations do not necessarily reflect effectiveness and proficiencies. I look to my experience at GSU and compared it to what I hear and what I observe personably; and discern matters are materially different, and not, necessarily where it matters most. Yes, the cafe, student housing and student union and other amenities have truly improved; however, I do not ever recall entering a GSU classroom and told to sign a piece of paper as the roll for attendance purposes because no educator has been assigned to your class slot. This is two or three weeks into the semester. Yes, professors missed classes for personal or professional reasons. I recall industry and Government entities lining up for GSU's Computer Science students and many business students alike. I recall many students had several co-op opportunities/experiences before they left GSU. I recall an English Department/advance composition course that was quite rigorous, because this skill-set was important because your written and public speaking proficiencies represented Grambling State University; and you were going to be prepared accordingly or else. I will suggest that a proficient and well equipped, Science Dept. undergirds the School of Nursing, those students and their proficiencies and potential success on National Examinations. Visit Grambling Laboratory Schools, especially the Senior High School and examine its operations, and facilities. Historically, the lab schools have produced some of the best and brightest. What GSU stakeholder/Alumni would not have expected GSU to be more proficient in all aspect, compared to when he/she attended GSU or Grambling College especially where academic proficiencies and effectiveness are concern? I believe such is a natural sense and expectation, for continuous progress and improvements. Alternatively, at a minimum, maintain similar academic proficiencies and effectiveness, relatively speaking. I do not believe anyone expecting GSU to be a Harvard or the likes, although, daily and collectively we as stakeholder should be striving towards such standards, just be the very best GSU. Just recently, I saw where the outgoing president finally admitted that the funding situation (I add the changing management (President, VPs, Directors, and Deans) and mixed mission) has adversely affected academic programs. I suggest the assertion is real; however, the admission is delayed and the timeliness of may be self-serving. I am not trying to be dogmatic towards GSU in any manner; it is truly disappointing to me. Sincerely, I would prefer to tell a young person to “go to GSU” rather than “consider GSU” starting at home. I agree completely with everything that you said here. Several years ago, a GSU grad who at the time served as vice president for a major technology company said that Grambling over prepared her for industry. Much like her, Grambling over prepared me for my post baccalaureate training and my position at the University. Today, many high school prospects resolutely refuse to consider GSU because they feel that our academic programs are not up to snuff. Grambling's academic issues are not all on our Presidents. As GSU stakeholders, we bear a significant amount of the blame for this state of affairs. Too many of us are fixated on an imaginary past rather than trying to ensure that GSU students receive the best preparation for the future.
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Post by mrevans on May 14, 2014 11:23:53 GMT -6
Would you mind sharing your source for this post? The Louisiana Board of Regents requires that all academic programs for which an accrediting agency exists to be accredited. Under President Favors and Interim President Warner, we achieved and maintained 100% accreditation among our programs for which accrediting agencies existed. The accomplishment surprised the ULS Board of Supervisors. During the Judson Administration, we lost one of our accreditations. I don't know which accreditation we lost, but the Judson Administration suddenly talking about having 98% of our programs accredited. Now suddenly we see that the University is bragging about having 95.7% "of all degree programs" accredited. This percentage is 44/46 rounded to one decimal point. In other words, we now have two programs that should be accredited but are not. The assertion that 100% accredited in all programs required by the Board of Regents sounds like the stuff the Administration was claiming about our School of Nursing. We were told that the GSU pass rate on the NCLEX was 100%. It turns out that the claim was an outright lie. This Administration inherited a pass rate of 83%. To remain in good standing, the NCLEX pass rate for our graduates must be at least 80%. However, our current Administration has never seen the pass rate on the NCLEX meet or exceed the 80% threshold. Worse, GSU's pass rate has dropped each year. It is now below 70%. As a result, GSU is not allowed to enroll new students in the nursing program. Students who want to study nursing at GSU are being directed to other institutions. The School of Nursing is not our only challenge in academics--not nearly. What this means is that our Interim President and Provost and the permanent officers that follow them have massive challenges to meet. It is imperative that we choose the right people. My only question to you is why in the hell were you not telling us about that before Ed post?....You damn sure made yourself clear when Judson was the president.....Why the Dr. Pogue silence?.....Were you scared or are you waiting in the bushes to push your preference for the next GSU president? OK. Up to now, you have carried on as though I was lying to you. Now, you are demanding to know why I had not told you these things earlier. I am confused. Do you now believe me, do you want me to make up my lies faster. Which is it? Look. I have different strategies and responses for different situations. Dr. Pogue is not Dr. Judson. The attitude in the Grambling Family is not the same now as it was in 2009. Therefore, my strategies for dealing with Pogue and his Administration today is different from my strategies for dealing with Judson and his Administration 5 years ago. It is interesting that you are much more interested in my motives than you are in the welfare of Grambling State University. You need to rearrange your priorities. Or not. The choice is yours.
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Post by edcrane on May 14, 2014 11:32:41 GMT -6
This is were we differ because most schools are not failing our young people but the damn parents are not doing their job at home by making it mandatory you do your best in school with education comes first and foremost. A lot of our young African American males are not being taught at home first to be responsible and respectful. The teachers are having a rough time because if their is no structure at home then its hell at school. It all starts at home. I have always told other parents, teachers and my boys that my home isn't a democracy but a dictatorship and I'm the d@mn KING! Sir, I concur with you wholeheartedly. It starts at home. The tenor of my post was to share that accreditations do not necessarily reflect effectiveness and proficiencies. I look to my experience at GSU and compared it to what I hear and what I observe personably; and discern matters are materially different, and not, necessarily where it matters most. Yes, the cafe, student housing and student union and other amenities have truly improved; however, I do not ever recall entering a GSU classroom and told to sign a piece of paper as the roll for attendance purposes because no educator has been assigned to your class slot. This is two or three weeks into the semester. Yes, professors missed classes for personal or professional reasons. I recall industry and Government entities lining up for GSU's Computer Science students and many business students alike. I recall many students had several co-op opportunities/experiences before they left GSU. I recall an English Department/advance composition course that was quite rigorous, because this skill-set was important because your written and public speaking proficiencies represented Grambling State University; and you were going to be prepared accordingly or else. I will suggest that a proficient and well equipped, Science Dept. undergirds the School of Nursing, those students and their proficiencies and potential success on National Examinations. Visit Grambling Laboratory Schools, especially the Senior High School and examine its operations, and facilities. Historically, the lab schools have produced some of the best and brightest. What GSU stakeholder/Alumni would not have expected GSU to be more proficient in all aspect, compared to when he/she attended GSU or Grambling College especially where academic proficiencies and effectiveness are concern? I believe such is a natural sense and expectation, for continuous progress and improvements. Alternatively, at a minimum, maintain similar academic proficiencies and effectiveness, relatively speaking. I do not believe anyone expecting GSU to be a Harvard or the likes, although, daily and collectively we as stakeholder should be striving towards such standards, just be the very best GSU. Just recently, I saw where the outgoing president finally admitted that the funding situation (I add the changing management (President, VPs, Directors, and Deans) and mixed mission) has adversely affected academic programs. I suggest the assertion is real; however, the admission is delayed and the timeliness of may be self-serving. I am not trying to be dogmatic towards GSU in any manner; it is truly disappointing to me. Sincerely, I would prefer to tell a young person to “go to GSU” rather than “consider GSU” starting at home. I understand where you are coming from but Grambling State will survive and all of us must fight to keep it that way.
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Post by gmanwest on May 14, 2014 11:38:07 GMT -6
My only question to you is why in the hell were you not telling us about that before Ed post?....You damn sure made yourself clear when Judson was the president.....Why the Dr. Pogue silence?.....Were you scared or are you waiting in the bushes to push your preference for the next GSU president? OK. Up to now, you have carried on as though I was lying to you. Now, you are demanding to know why I had not told you these things earlier. I am confused. Do you now believe me, do you want me to make up my lies faster. Which is it? Look. I have different strategies and responses for different situations. Dr. Pogue is not Dr. Judson. The attitude in the Grambling Family is not the same now as it was in 2009. Therefore, my strategies for dealing with Pogue and his Administration today is different from my strategies for dealing with Judson and his Administration 5 years ago. It is interesting that you are much more interested in my motives than you are in the welfare of Grambling State University. You need to rearrange your priorities. Or not. The choice is yours. My priorities have always been about what's best for Grambling and I have never received a dime to do so.....You are talking to the wrong dude.
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Post by gmanwest on May 14, 2014 11:46:18 GMT -6
Sir, I concur with you wholeheartedly. It starts at home. The tenor of my post was to share that accreditations do not necessarily reflect effectiveness and proficiencies. I look to my experience at GSU and compared it to what I hear and what I observe personably; and discern matters are materially different, and not, necessarily where it matters most. Yes, the cafe, student housing and student union and other amenities have truly improved; however, I do not ever recall entering a GSU classroom and told to sign a piece of paper as the roll for attendance purposes because no educator has been assigned to your class slot. This is two or three weeks into the semester. Yes, professors missed classes for personal or professional reasons. I recall industry and Government entities lining up for GSU's Computer Science students and many business students alike. I recall many students had several co-op opportunities/experiences before they left GSU. I recall an English Department/advance composition course that was quite rigorous, because this skill-set was important because your written and public speaking proficiencies represented Grambling State University; and you were going to be prepared accordingly or else. I will suggest that a proficient and well equipped, Science Dept. undergirds the School of Nursing, those students and their proficiencies and potential success on National Examinations. Visit Grambling Laboratory Schools, especially the Senior High School and examine its operations, and facilities. Historically, the lab schools have produced some of the best and brightest. What GSU stakeholder/Alumni would not have expected GSU to be more proficient in all aspect, compared to when he/she attended GSU or Grambling College especially where academic proficiencies and effectiveness are concern? I believe such is a natural sense and expectation, for continuous progress and improvements. Alternatively, at a minimum, maintain similar academic proficiencies and effectiveness, relatively speaking. I do not believe anyone expecting GSU to be a Harvard or the likes, although, daily and collectively we as stakeholder should be striving towards such standards, just be the very best GSU. Just recently, I saw where the outgoing president finally admitted that the funding situation (I add the changing management (President, VPs, Directors, and Deans) and mixed mission) has adversely affected academic programs. I suggest the assertion is real; however, the admission is delayed and the timeliness of may be self-serving. I am not trying to be dogmatic towards GSU in any manner; it is truly disappointing to me. Sincerely, I would prefer to tell a young person to “go to GSU” rather than “consider GSU” starting at home. I understand where you are coming from but Grambling State will survive and all of us must fight to keep it that way. Ed It is no guarantee that GSU will survive, but like you I hope so.....Look no further than the mindset of some of those that swear they love Grambling.....GSU can not with stand itself with half azz alumni in a state that seem not to care for it.....In order for GSU to go forward, we must get better support from the state and change the mindset of a lot of alumni....Now that is a tall task, but it can be done.....I am sick and tired of alumni pretending they care about Grambling, but their actions are complete opposite.....I hear a lot of talk from GSU alumni, but see very little action.....They invent excuses why not to support GSU.
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Post by edcrane on May 14, 2014 12:44:21 GMT -6
I understand where you are coming from but Grambling State will survive and all of us must fight to keep it that way. Ed It is no guarantee that GSU will survive, but like you I hope so.....Look no further than the mindset of some of those that swear they love Grambling.....GSU can not with stand itself with half azz alumni in a state that seem not to care for it.....In order for GSU to go forward, we must get better support from the state and change the mindset of a lot of alumni....Now that is a tall task, but it can be done.....I am sick and tired of alumni pretending they care about Grambling, but their actions are complete opposite.....I hear a lot of talk from GSU alumni, but see very little action.....They invent excuses why not to support GSU. You are so right. I hear so many excuses myself from alumni who don't support at all. It's like Grambling is no good now for them and their children.
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Post by pink12 on May 14, 2014 14:46:53 GMT -6
It is not any doubt, in my mind, a viable educational institution of higher learning will rest in Grambling LA. The state’s investments in the GSU’s resident halls, cafeteria, student union, museum, west campus, the beautification projects, and now the library are not happenstance. My concern continues to be what is GSU’s academic mission/profile going forward. Yes, GSU is a comprehensive university this day; however, will GSU remain as such and eventually be managed, administered and funded as such in the near future.
Personally, I believe the constituents of the great state of LA, no longer care to subsidized “separate but unequal” relative to higher educational opportunities, especially when the actual intent and the effects of such on the landscape is dwindling, somewhat. Coupled with the edict for more fiscal responsibility, it is inefficient to fund parallel missions/academic program and when viewed logistically and comprehensively relative to providing adequate educational opportunities to young people effectively and efficiently.
The state of LA Legislature changed the laws and standards for admissions and funding for higher education and attached accountabilities/measures.
Couple with the shortsightedness of embracing the changes and laws, some GSU stakeholders encouraged the GSU Administration to request waivers and, politic matters, concurrently many stakeholders said ‘pay now or pay later’. Well folks, later has knocked and entering.
Some Stakeholder suggested the longer GSU immolated the characteristics/standards of a community college /junior college eventually GSU would be treated and viewed as such.
The state law changed to where GSU could no longer serve as a comprehensive institution of higher learning, and concurrently, serve as a community college/junior college via a “Brown Hall.” I am a product of Brown Hall and very grateful for such. Such remedial offerings were not going to be (directly) funded any longer.
Many stakeholders argued that the new laws and increased admission standards were going to hurt GSU’s enrollment and limit educational opportunities for many young people, which GSU traditionally served, under the open door policy, valid concern. Well analyze GSU’s enrollment subsequently.
Thus, we have created the side-door admission via affiliations/agreements with community colleges/junior colleges and the powers-that-be are looking at GSU as a whole. In the process, these relationships have becoming a significant conduit and form of recruiting. I had a long time GSU employee tell me that across the board, GSU used to enroll more prepared students under the open enrollment policy than under the admission standards, if such is true, how is that possible? Such may equally reflect on the public schools’ effectiveness and proficiencies, as well.
I suggest even presently the GSU Stakeholders do not wish to put GSU primary mission first, which is delivering proficient and effective educational opportunities to young people, evening if such requires GSU to function at a level less than a “comprehensive” institution of higher learn or the status quo.
Personally, I would have preferred GSU had gone in the direction of a Tennessee State University or a Elizabeth State University when potentially such opportunities were ripe. Moreover, it is my desire to see GSU excel at its primary mission, which can be defined, fundable, politically supportable by providing concise educational opportunities which are greatly needed by many young people; rather than, being continuously deteriorated, and managed into capitulation.
I know some stakeholders will adamantly disagree and reject any notion of such; however, I do not believe maintaining the status quo is effective or efficient and provides viable options, which will be in the best interest of all stakeholders (i.e. students, parents, taxpayers, facility, staff, alumni, political concerns).
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Post by gmanwest on May 14, 2014 16:02:52 GMT -6
It is not any doubt, in my mind, a viable educational institution of higher learning will rest in Grambling LA. The state’s investments in the GSU’s resident halls, cafeteria, student union, museum, west campus, the beautification projects, and now the library are not happenstance. My concern continues to be what is GSU’s academic mission/profile going forward. Yes, GSU is a comprehensive university this day; however, will GSU remain as such and eventually be managed, administered and funded as such in the near future. Personally, I believe the constituents of the great state of LA, no longer care to subsidized “separate but unequal” relative to higher educational opportunities, especially when the actual intent and the effects of such on the landscape is dwindling, somewhat. Coupled with the edict for more fiscal responsibility, it is inefficient to fund parallel missions/academic program and when viewed logistically and comprehensively relative to providing adequate educational opportunities to young people effectively and efficiently. The state of LA Legislature changed the laws and standards for admissions and funding for higher education and attached accountabilities/measures. Couple with the shortsightedness of embracing the changes and laws, some GSU stakeholders encouraged the GSU Administration to request waivers and, politic matters, concurrently many stakeholders said ‘pay now or pay later’. Well folks, later has knocked and entering. Some Stakeholder suggested the longer GSU immolated the characteristics/standards of a community college /junior college eventually GSU would be treated and viewed as such. The state law changed to where GSU could no longer serve as a comprehensive institution of higher learning, and concurrently, serve as a community college/junior college via a “Brown Hall.” I am a product of Brown Hall and very grateful for such. Such remedial offerings were not going to be (directly) funded any longer. Many stakeholders argued that the new laws and increased admission standards were going to hurt GSU’s enrollment and limit educational opportunities for many young people, which GSU traditionally served, under the open door policy, valid concern. Well analyze GSU’s enrollment subsequently. Thus, we have created the side-door admission via affiliations/agreements with community colleges/junior colleges and the powers-that-be are looking at GSU as a whole. In the process, these relationships have becoming a significant conduit and form of recruiting. I had a long time GSU employee tell me that across the board, GSU used to enroll more prepared students under the open enrollment policy than under the admission standards, if such is true, how is that possible? Such may equally reflect on the public schools’ effectiveness and proficiencies, as well. I suggest event presently the GSU Stakeholders do not wish to put GSU primary mission first, which is delivering proficient and effective educational opportunities to young people, evening if such requires GSU to function at a level less than a “comprehensive” institution of higher learn or the status quo. Personally, I would have preferred GSU had gone in the direction of a Tennessee State University or a Elizabeth State University when potentially such opportunities were ripe. Moreover, it is my desire to see GSU excel at its primary mission, which can be defined, fundable, politically supportable by providing concise educational opportunities which are greatly needed by many young people; rather than, being continuously deteriorated, and managed into capitulation. I know some stakeholders will adamantly disagree and reject any notion of such; however, I do not believe maintaining the status quo is effective or efficient and provides viable options, which will be in the best interest of all stakeholders (i.e. students, parents, taxpayers, facility, staff, alumni, political concerns). How about this?.....Write the ULS System President and ask her and report back to us.....That will beat your constant beetching, pessimism, and speculation on this board.
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Post by edcrane on May 14, 2014 17:47:04 GMT -6
It is not any doubt, in my mind, a viable educational institution of higher learning will rest in Grambling LA. The state’s investments in the GSU’s resident halls, cafeteria, student union, museum, west campus, the beautification projects, and now the library are not happenstance. My concern continues to be what is GSU’s academic mission/profile going forward. Yes, GSU is a comprehensive university this day; however, will GSU remain as such and eventually be managed, administered and funded as such in the near future. Personally, I believe the constituents of the great state of LA, no longer care to subsidized “separate but unequal” relative to higher educational opportunities, especially when the actual intent and the effects of such on the landscape is dwindling, somewhat. Coupled with the edict for more fiscal responsibility, it is inefficient to fund parallel missions/academic program and when viewed logistically and comprehensively relative to providing adequate educational opportunities to young people effectively and efficiently. The state of LA Legislature changed the laws and standards for admissions and funding for higher education and attached accountabilities/measures. Couple with the shortsightedness of embracing the changes and laws, some GSU stakeholders encouraged the GSU Administration to request waivers and, politic matters, concurrently many stakeholders said ‘pay now or pay later’. Well folks, later has knocked and entering. Some Stakeholder suggested the longer GSU immolated the characteristics/standards of a community college /junior college eventually GSU would be treated and viewed as such. The state law changed to where GSU could no longer serve as a comprehensive institution of higher learning, and concurrently, serve as a community college/junior college via a “Brown Hall.” I am a product of Brown Hall and very grateful for such. Such remedial offerings were not going to be (directly) funded any longer. Many stakeholders argued that the new laws and increased admission standards were going to hurt GSU’s enrollment and limit educational opportunities for many young people, which GSU traditionally served, under the open door policy, valid concern. Well analyze GSU’s enrollment subsequently. Thus, we have created the side-door admission via affiliations/agreements with community colleges/junior colleges and the powers-that-be are looking at GSU as a whole. In the process, these relationships have becoming a significant conduit and form of recruiting. I had a long time GSU employee tell me that across the board, GSU used to enroll more prepared students under the open enrollment policy than under the admission standards, if such is true, how is that possible? Such may equally reflect on the public schools’ effectiveness and proficiencies, as well. I suggest event presently the GSU Stakeholders do not wish to put GSU primary mission first, which is delivering proficient and effective educational opportunities to young people, evening if such requires GSU to function at a level less than a “comprehensive” institution of higher learn or the status quo. Personally, I would have preferred GSU had gone in the direction of a Tennessee State University or a Elizabeth State University when potentially such opportunities were ripe. Moreover, it is my desire to see GSU excel at its primary mission, which can be defined, fundable, politically supportable by providing concise educational opportunities which are greatly needed by many young people; rather than, being continuously deteriorated, and managed into capitulation. I know some stakeholders will adamantly disagree and reject any notion of such; however, I do not believe maintaining the status quo is effective or efficient and provides viable options, which will be in the best interest of all stakeholders (i.e. students, parents, taxpayers, facility, staff, alumni, political concerns). How about this?.....Write the ULS System President and ask her and report back to us.....That will beat your constant beetching, pessimism, and speculation on this board. Better yet go to the Presidential selection committee when they meet again on campus and ask the ULS Board in person. They all will be in attendance.
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Post by pink12 on May 14, 2014 18:43:48 GMT -6
How about this?.....Write the ULS System President and ask her and report back to us.....That will beat your constant beetching, pessimism, and speculation on this board. Better yet go to the Presidential selection committee when they meet again on campus and ask the ULS Board in person. They all will be in attendance. In response, I will draft a letter NLT Monday, May 19, 2014 to the ULS Board/President with my questions and concerns, if any of you have any questions you would like included in this missive, please post accordingly for possible inclusion. I will try to submit the missive via Email and the United States Postal Service. I will copy and post the letter sent and any response received, accordingly. I will be pleasantly surprised if I receive a direct response towards GSU mission going forward, however, it does not hurt to ask.
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Post by gmanwest on May 14, 2014 21:13:10 GMT -6
Better yet go to the Presidential selection committee when they meet again on campus and ask the ULS Board in person. They all will be in attendance. In response, I will draft a letter NLT Monday, May 19, 2014 to the ULS Board/President with my questions and concerns, if any of you have any questions you would like included in this missive, please post accordingly for possible inclusion. I will try to submit the missive via Email and the United States Postal Service. I will copy and post the letter sent and any response received, accordingly. I will be pleasantly surprised if I receive a direct response towards GSU mission going forward, however, it does not hurt to ask. Thanks Pink12.....Now you are working on Grambling State University behalf.....You get an attaboy for that.
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Post by edcrane on May 15, 2014 8:02:34 GMT -6
Better yet go to the Presidential selection committee when they meet again on campus and ask the ULS Board in person. They all will be in attendance. In response, I will draft a letter NLT Monday, May 19, 2014 to the ULS Board/President with my questions and concerns, if any of you have any questions you would like included in this missive, please post accordingly for possible inclusion. I will try to submit the missive via Email and the United States Postal Service. I will copy and post the letter sent and any response received, accordingly. I will be pleasantly surprised if I receive a direct response towards GSU mission going forward, however, it does not hurt to ask. Now this is how you approach these matters which are of great concern to you and others including myself.
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Post by gmanwest on May 18, 2014 15:06:55 GMT -6
Don't forget to let Pink12 know your concerns by today.
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Post by gmanwest on May 28, 2014 19:19:04 GMT -6
Better yet go to the Presidential selection committee when they meet again on campus and ask the ULS Board in person. They all will be in attendance. In response, I will draft a letter NLT Monday, May 19, 2014 to the ULS Board/President with my questions and concerns, if any of you have any questions you would like included in this missive, please post accordingly for possible inclusion. I will try to submit the missive via Email and the United States Postal Service. I will copy and post the letter sent and any response received, accordingly. I will be pleasantly surprised if I receive a direct response towards GSU mission going forward, however, it does not hurt to ask. Pink12 You have gone so silent, so did you write the letter or did you just pretend to?.....If you did and got a response, we would appreciate it if you can give us a brief overview.
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Post by er803 on Jul 2, 2014 8:35:29 GMT -6
I was told that Walton and Duhon were demoted to the classroom and they thought they would receive their same salary of over $100k. Their new salary is $50k. Words were exchanged between them and Dr. Warrick and they were escorted off campus.
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Post by Ray Higgins on Jul 2, 2014 8:40:08 GMT -6
I was told that Walton and Duhon were demoted to the classroom and they thought they would receive their same salary of over $100k. Their new salary is $50k. I have no problem with this move as long as it is legal. I still think they should be totally gone. We will hear from Walton again.
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