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Post by gmanwest on May 11, 2014 13:03:43 GMT -6
I conclude it is complicated and truly not as simple as even I want it to be or imagine. There are many moving pieces and concerns. Step-back for a moment and look at matters objectively and progressively, as a whole, relative to access and lack thereof to educational opportunities historically and the results of such generationally. It's really pretty clear to me.....The state of Louisiana and some of our own alumni don't really appreciate the value of an education at HBCUs.....Most of GSU alumni think GSU is not good enough for their kids with good grades or their kids that are excellent in athletics.....They want others to send their kids, but they don't feel it is good enough for theirs.
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Post by pink12 on May 11, 2014 18:08:47 GMT -6
I conclude it is complicated and truly not as simple as even I want it to be or imagine. There are many moving pieces and concerns. Step-back for a moment and look at matters objectively and progressively, as a whole, relative to access and lack thereof to educational opportunities historically and the results of such generationally. It's really pretty clear to me.....The state of Louisiana and some of our own alumni don't really appreciate the value of an education at HBCUs.....Most of GSU alumni think GSU is not good enough for their kids with good grades or their kids that are excellent in athletics.....They want others to send their kids, but they don't feel it is good enough for theirs. I concur and I agree with such decisions completely. It is wrongheaded to ever begrudge anybody or any GSU Stakeholder that supports/funds or endorses educational opportunities selections and decisions, with the best interests of their offspring at the forefront. For example, many of the GSU graduates in last 30 years may not live in a like neighborhood or surroundings they were reared, do we begrudge them for not living on the same block. No, why would education selections of off-springs be any different, especially, when you are not comparing apples to apples relative to the tangibles. Sacrifice your off-spring due to the The-Black-enough (not loyal) guilt-trip. Such would be unfair, reckless and irresponsible as a parent, in my actual opinion/experience. Living in a shot-gun house or public housing (projects) had to be 'good-enough' for many of us, however, I don't want my off-springs to experience such, if I am blessed to provide better conditions/opportunities based on utilizing my GSU education/opportunity and sweat-equity. Particularly in the United States of America, life is a perpetuation and about progress. Such is the by-product of capitalism and natural, where adequate educational opportunities, hard work and sound personal choices afford you and your off-springs to change places and fit differently on the pyramid.
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Post by gmanwest on May 11, 2014 19:58:36 GMT -6
It's really pretty clear to me.....The state of Louisiana and some of our own alumni don't really appreciate the value of an education at HBCUs.....Most of GSU alumni think GSU is not good enough for their kids with good grades or their kids that are excellent in athletics.....They want others to send their kids, but they don't feel it is good enough for theirs. I concur and I agree with such decisions completely. It is wrongheaded to ever begrudge anybody or any GSU Stakeholder that supports or endorses educational opportunities selections and decisions, with the best interests of their offspring at the forefront. For example, many of the GSU graduates in last 30 years may not live in a like neighborhood or surroundings they were reared, do we begrudge them for not living on the same block. No, why would education selections of off-springs be any different, especially, when you are not comparing apples to apples relative to the tangibles. Sacrifice your off-spring due to the The-Black-enough (not loyal) guilt-trip. Such would be unfair, reckless and irresponsible as a parent, in my actual opinion/experience. Living in a shot-gun house had to be 'good-enough' for many of us, however, I don't want my off-springs to experience such, if I am blessed to provide better conditions/opportunities based on utilizing my GSU education/opportunity and sweat-equity. Particularly in the United States of America, life is a perpetuation and about progress. Such is the by-product of capitalism and natural, where adequate educational opportunities, hard work and sound personal choices afford you and your off-springs to change places and fit differently on the pyramid. Pink12 I guess I get it that you think that GSU is good for all kids that come out of the projects and were also reared in shot gun houses.....So if their parents live in nice houses in the suburbs, then GSU is not good enough for them?.....I have to admit, you really took me back with that. I thought GSU was diverse and kids came to it from all backgrounds( poor, middle class, and wealthy).....I didn't know that all kids came to GSU with bad grades and impoverished backgrounds.....That is news to me....I also don't get your black-enough guilt trip(sounds very republican like to me).....I always thought that we sent our kids and off-springs to Grambling to carry on traditions and to get a quality education.....Like I said, a lot of you Gramblinites think Grambling is for other people kids, but not your own.....I guess now you know why I pull so hard for DJ because he had other educational and athletic choices, but chose Grambling.
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Post by pink12 on May 12, 2014 12:48:11 GMT -6
I concur and I agree with such decisions completely. It is wrongheaded to ever begrudge anybody or any GSU Stakeholder that supports or endorses educational opportunities selections and decisions, with the best interests of their offspring at the forefront. For example, many of the GSU graduates in last 30 years may not live in a like neighborhood or surroundings they were reared, do we begrudge them for not living on the same block. No, why would education selections of off-springs be any different, especially, when you are not comparing apples to apples relative to the tangibles. Sacrifice your off-spring due to the The-Black-enough (not loyal) guilt-trip. Such would be unfair, reckless and irresponsible as a parent, in my actual opinion/experience. Living in a shot-gun house had to be 'good-enough' for many of us, however, I don't want my off-springs to experience such, if I am blessed to provide better conditions/opportunities based on utilizing my GSU education/opportunity and sweat-equity. Particularly in the United States of America, life is a perpetuation and about progress. Such is the by-product of capitalism and natural, where adequate educational opportunities, hard work and sound personal choices afford you and your off-springs to change places and fit differently on the pyramid. Pink12 I guess I get it that you think that GSU is good for all kids that come out of the projects and were also reared in shot gun houses.....So if their parents live in nice houses in the suburbs, then GSU is not good enough for them?.....I have to admit, you really took me back with that. I thought GSU was diverse and kids came to it from all backgrounds( poor, middle class, and wealthy).....I didn't know that all kids came to GSU with bad grades and impoverished backgrounds.....That is news to me....I also don't get your black-enough guilt trip(sounds very republican like to me).....I always thought that we sent our kids and off-springs to Grambling to carry on traditions and to get a quality education.....Like I said, a lot of you Gramblinites think Grambling is for other people kids, but not your own.....I guess now you know why I pull so hard for DJ because he had other educational and athletic choices, but chose Grambling. www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/20140511-with-grambling-state-diplomas-family-clinches-a-world-record.ecewww.dallasnews.com/news/columnists/norma-adams-wade/20140211-dallas-woman-leads-familys-quest-for-a-guinness-world-records-title.eceI wonder if there would be any correlations among, social and economic opportunities/progress in the USA, individual proficiencies of skill-set, increased-expectations due to exposures and time, if annually trend, relative to impact on GSU due to funding, management and capabilities (relatively speaking) to deliver safe, quality and proficient educational opportunities and experiences to young people. This family's generational enrollment (headcount) at Grambling State University is unequalled. I believe this family has one student presently enrolled at GSU. I wonder if there are any other rising or enrolled college students elsewhere and why? Based on this family’s historical enrollment, commitment, and family tradition relative to attending GSU over several generations, if interviewed, and data analyses performed, such may make an excellent case study, and provide the ULS Board/President, GSU Administrators, and GSU Stakeholders with measureless and very practical information. We must hope, trust and respect that parents influence choices towards their off-spring with the off-spring's very best interests at the forefront, both for the short term and long-term, and not, for any selfish, political, or shortsighted reasons. As African Americans, we must be very careful to not perpetuate or project a “crab”, retarded, and selfish, outlook or mentality/dialogue towards educational, social and economic opportunities/progress. I suggest as with GSU, either an entity or person progress individually and collectively, or the entity/individual will retard and regress.
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Post by mrevans on May 12, 2014 14:06:52 GMT -6
Pink12 I guess I get it that you think that GSU is good for all kids that come out of the projects and were also reared in shot gun houses.....So if their parents live in nice houses in the suburbs, then GSU is not good enough for them?.....I have to admit, you really took me back with that. I thought GSU was diverse and kids came to it from all backgrounds( poor, middle class, and wealthy).....I didn't know that all kids came to GSU with bad grades and impoverished backgrounds.....That is news to me....I also don't get your black-enough guilt trip(sounds very republican like to me).....I always thought that we sent our kids and off-springs to Grambling to carry on traditions and to get a quality education.....Like I said, a lot of you Gramblinites think Grambling is for other people kids, but not your own.....I guess now you know why I pull so hard for DJ because he had other educational and athletic choices, but chose Grambling. www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/20140511-with-grambling-state-diplomas-family-clinches-a-world-record.ecewww.dallasnews.com/news/columnists/norma-adams-wade/20140211-dallas-woman-leads-familys-quest-for-a-guinness-world-records-title.eceI wonder if there would be any correlations between, social and economic opportunities/progress in the USA, individual proficiencies of skill-set, increased-expectations due exposures and time, if annually trend, and relative to impact on GSU due to funding, management and capabilities (relatively speaking) to deliver safe, quality and proficient educational opportunities and experiences to young people. This family's generational enrollment (headcount) at Grambling State University is unequalled. I believe this family has one student presently enrolled at GSU. I wander if there are any other rising or enrolled college students elsewhere and why? Based on this family’s historical enrollment, commitment, and family tradition relative to attending GSU over several generations, if interviewed, and data analyses performed, may make an excellent case study, and provide ULS Board/President, GSU Administrators, and GSU Stakeholders with measureless and very practical information. We must hope, trust and respect that parents influence choices towards their off-spring with the off-spring's very best interests at the forefront, both for the short term and long-term, and not, for any selfish, political, or shortsighted reasons. As African Americans, we must be very careful to not perpetuate or project a “crab”, retarded, and selfish, outlook or mentality/dialogue towards educational, social and economic opportunities/progress. I suggest as with GSU, either an entity or person progress individually and collectively, or the entity/individual will retard and regress. GSU stakeholders are better than many about sending their children to their alma mater. The real problem is that Grambling State University does not recruit. We don't even know what it recruiting means. The University recently hired a new Director of Admissions. I hope that he turns around our sorrowful situation. However, he has a Herculean task. If memory serves, then we have one recruiter. However, our problems are much greater than the lack of a recruiting staff. Recruiting is not a 9 to 5, 5 days per week job. It is 24/7. By this, I mean that the University's public image--ncluding mail-outs, TV spots, and the University website--all play critical roles in projecting the image of a learning environment that parents want their children to be part of. Recruiting is not exclusive to the recruiting staff, but of every University student and employee. Prospects must see a learning environment that they want to join. Let us not forget that the most effective advertisement is a satisfied friend or family member who attends the University. The students who are eligible to enroll in GSU under current rules are eligible to enroll in just about any other institution in the State or Nation. The sad fact is that the vast majority of students whom we should be welcoming to GSU are going elsewhere. Virtually every Majority White Institution in Louisiana enrolls about as many if not more African American residents of Louisiana than GSU does. Some MWIs have African American enrollment that equal or exceed GSU's total enrollment. I learned recently that the freshman class enrollment of African Americans at LSU-BR is about the same as GSU's total enrollment. This is profound. Although admission standards and tuition are both higher at LSU-BR than at Grambling, LSU-BR enrolls about 4 times as many African Americans as GSU. Most of the other MWIs around the State have experienced larger tuition increases than we have experienced. Yet they are equalling or bettering us in African American enrollment. The alumni are doing what we can to bring students into GSU. However, we cannot do it alone. The University must get off its duff and get into the game.
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Post by gmanwest on May 12, 2014 14:23:53 GMT -6
Pink12 I guess I get it that you think that GSU is good for all kids that come out of the projects and were also reared in shot gun houses.....So if their parents live in nice houses in the suburbs, then GSU is not good enough for them?.....I have to admit, you really took me back with that. I thought GSU was diverse and kids came to it from all backgrounds( poor, middle class, and wealthy).....I didn't know that all kids came to GSU with bad grades and impoverished backgrounds.....That is news to me....I also don't get your black-enough guilt trip(sounds very republican like to me).....I always thought that we sent our kids and off-springs to Grambling to carry on traditions and to get a quality education.....Like I said, a lot of you Gramblinites think Grambling is for other people kids, but not your own.....I guess now you know why I pull so hard for DJ because he had other educational and athletic choices, but chose Grambling. www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/20140511-with-grambling-state-diplomas-family-clinches-a-world-record.ecewww.dallasnews.com/news/columnists/norma-adams-wade/20140211-dallas-woman-leads-familys-quest-for-a-guinness-world-records-title.eceI wonder if there would be any correlations among, social and economic opportunities/progress in the USA, individual proficiencies of skill-set, increased-expectations due to exposures and time, if annually trend, relative to impact on GSU due to funding, management and capabilities (relatively speaking) to deliver safe, quality and proficient educational opportunities and experiences to young people. This family's generational enrollment (headcount) at Grambling State University is unequalled. I believe this family has one student presently enrolled at GSU. I wonder if there are any other rising or enrolled college students elsewhere and why? Based on this family’s historical enrollment, commitment, and family tradition relative to attending GSU over several generations, if interviewed, and data analyses performed, such may make an excellent case study, and provide the ULS Board/President, GSU Administrators, and GSU Stakeholders with measureless and very practical information. We must hope, trust and respect that parents influence choices towards their off-spring with the off-spring's very best interests at the forefront, both for the short term and long-term, and not, for any selfish, political, or shortsighted reasons. As African Americans, we must be very careful to not perpetuate or project a “crab”, retarded, and selfish, outlook or mentality/dialogue towards educational, social and economic opportunities/progress. I suggest as with GSU, either an entity or person progress individually and collectively, or the entity/individual will retard and regress. Instead of you giving us paragraphs of your rhetoric, why don't you tell us how many members of your family are currently at Grambling that could have gone elsewhere?....It is naïve of you too think that only project kids are at Grambling.....I have plenty of friends from middle to upper income levels that have sent their kids to Grambling.....What is sad is that some of you only think Grambling is for certain type of kids......How in the hell are you guys raising your kids?.....I have knowledge of family members that sent their kids to Grambling and they went on to have more success than the kids they sent to LSU.....The bottomline is that a kid can be successful whether they attend GSU or LSU.....An "A" is an "A".....Corporate America only cares about whether most graduates can get the job done.....An African-American graduate out of the University of Texas that is incompetent is no better than an incompetent one out of a HBCU.....I have worked with graduates of all colleges and universities.
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Post by edcrane on May 12, 2014 15:01:05 GMT -6
www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/20140511-with-grambling-state-diplomas-family-clinches-a-world-record.ecewww.dallasnews.com/news/columnists/norma-adams-wade/20140211-dallas-woman-leads-familys-quest-for-a-guinness-world-records-title.eceI wonder if there would be any correlations between, social and economic opportunities/progress in the USA, individual proficiencies of skill-set, increased-expectations due exposures and time, if annually trend, and relative to impact on GSU due to funding, management and capabilities (relatively speaking) to deliver safe, quality and proficient educational opportunities and experiences to young people. This family's generational enrollment (headcount) at Grambling State University is unequalled. I believe this family has one student presently enrolled at GSU. I wander if there are any other rising or enrolled college students elsewhere and why? Based on this family’s historical enrollment, commitment, and family tradition relative to attending GSU over several generations, if interviewed, and data analyses performed, may make an excellent case study, and provide ULS Board/President, GSU Administrators, and GSU Stakeholders with measureless and very practical information. We must hope, trust and respect that parents influence choices towards their off-spring with the off-spring's very best interests at the forefront, both for the short term and long-term, and not, for any selfish, political, or shortsighted reasons. As African Americans, we must be very careful to not perpetuate or project a “crab”, retarded, and selfish, outlook or mentality/dialogue towards educational, social and economic opportunities/progress. I suggest as with GSU, either an entity or person progress individually and collectively, or the entity/individual will retard and regress. GSU stakeholders are better than many about sending their children to their alma mater. The real problem is that Grambling State University does not recruit. We don't even know what it recruiting means. The University recently hired a new Director of Admissions. I hope that he turns around our sorrowful situation. However, he has a Herculean task. If memory serves, then we have one recruiter. However, our problems are much greater than the lack of a recruiting staff. Recruiting is not a 9 to 5, 5 days per week job. It is 24/7. By this, I mean that the University's public image--ncluding mail-outs, TV spots, and the University website--all play critical roles in projecting the image of a learning environment that parents want their children to be part of. Recruiting is not exclusive to the recruiting staff, but of every University student and employee. Prospects must see a learning environment that they want to join. Let us not forget that the most effective advertisement is a satisfied friend or family member who attends the University. The students who are eligible to enroll in GSU under current rules are eligible to enroll in just about any other institution in the State or Nation. The sad fact is that the vast majority of students whom we should be welcoming to GSU are going elsewhere. Virtually every Majority White Institution in Louisiana enrolls about as many if not more African American residents of Louisiana than GSU does. Some MWIs have African American enrollment that equal or exceed GSU's total enrollment. I learned recently that the freshman class enrollment of African Americans at LSU-BR is about the same as GSU's total enrollment. This is profound. Although admission standards and tuition are both higher at LSU-BR than at Grambling, LSU-BR enrolls about 4 times as many African Americans as GSU. Most of the other MWIs around the State have experienced larger tuition increases than we have experienced. Yet they are equalling or bettering us in African American enrollment. The alumni are doing what we can to bring students into GSU. However, we cannot do it alone. The University must get off its duff and get into the game. LSU African America freshman enrollment is not even close to Grambling. However, it should be high when you have almost 30,000 students. Fall 2013 had 2,774 Undergraduate and 474 Grad. which is a total enrollment of 3,228. www.bgtplan.lsu.edu/quickfacts/fall2013/2013%20LSU%20Fall%20Facts.pdf
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Post by edcrane on May 12, 2014 15:06:01 GMT -6
www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/20140511-with-grambling-state-diplomas-family-clinches-a-world-record.ecewww.dallasnews.com/news/columnists/norma-adams-wade/20140211-dallas-woman-leads-familys-quest-for-a-guinness-world-records-title.eceI wonder if there would be any correlations among, social and economic opportunities/progress in the USA, individual proficiencies of skill-set, increased-expectations due to exposures and time, if annually trend, relative to impact on GSU due to funding, management and capabilities (relatively speaking) to deliver safe, quality and proficient educational opportunities and experiences to young people. This family's generational enrollment (headcount) at Grambling State University is unequalled. I believe this family has one student presently enrolled at GSU. I wonder if there are any other rising or enrolled college students elsewhere and why? Based on this family’s historical enrollment, commitment, and family tradition relative to attending GSU over several generations, if interviewed, and data analyses performed, such may make an excellent case study, and provide the ULS Board/President, GSU Administrators, and GSU Stakeholders with measureless and very practical information. We must hope, trust and respect that parents influence choices towards their off-spring with the off-spring's very best interests at the forefront, both for the short term and long-term, and not, for any selfish, political, or shortsighted reasons. As African Americans, we must be very careful to not perpetuate or project a “crab”, retarded, and selfish, outlook or mentality/dialogue towards educational, social and economic opportunities/progress. I suggest as with GSU, either an entity or person progress individually and collectively, or the entity/individual will retard and regress. Instead of you giving us paragraphs of your rhetoric, why don't you tell us how many members of your family are currently at Grambling that could have gone elsewhere?....It is naïve of you too think that only project kids are at Grambling.....I have plenty of friends from middle to upper income levels that have sent their kids to Grambling.....What is sad is that some of you only think Grambling is for certain type of kids......How in the hell are you guys raising your kids?.....I have knowledge of family members that sent their kids to Grambling and they went on to have more success than the kids they sent to LSU.....The bottomline is that a kid can be successful whether they attend GSU or LSU.....An "A" is an "A".....Corporate America only cares about whether most graduates can get the job done.....An African-American graduate out of the University of Texas that is incompetent is no better than an incompetent one out of a HBCU.....I have worked with graduates of all colleges and universities. I totally agree with you on this West. It pisses me off that a lot our alumni don't encourage their children to attend GSU. I raised my two sons to bleed the Black and Gold and it has paid off with my son being accepted for the fall 2014 who made the scores to attend other PWI's.
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Post by gmanwest on May 12, 2014 15:44:43 GMT -6
Instead of you giving us paragraphs of your rhetoric, why don't you tell us how many members of your family are currently at Grambling that could have gone elsewhere?....It is naïve of you too think that only project kids are at Grambling.....I have plenty of friends from middle to upper income levels that have sent their kids to Grambling.....What is sad is that some of you only think Grambling is for certain type of kids......How in the hell are you guys raising your kids?.....I have knowledge of family members that sent their kids to Grambling and they went on to have more success than the kids they sent to LSU.....The bottomline is that a kid can be successful whether they attend GSU or LSU.....An "A" is an "A".....Corporate America only cares about whether most graduates can get the job done.....An African-American graduate out of the University of Texas that is incompetent is no better than an incompetent one out of a HBCU.....I have worked with graduates of all colleges and universities. I totally agree with you on this West. It pisses me off that a lot our alumni don't encourage their children to attend GSU. I raised my two sons to bleed the Black and Gold and it has paid off with my son being accepted for the fall 2014 who made the scores to attend other PWI's. Good for you ED.....Atleast you walk your talk....Thanks bro for your support of GSU.....I hope your son represent you well and maybe one day he can hire one of these hypocrits son or daughther after they get their pwc education.
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Post by pink12 on May 12, 2014 16:12:25 GMT -6
Instead of you giving us paragraphs of your rhetoric, why don't you tell us how many members of your family are currently at Grambling that could have gone elsewhere?....It is naïve of you too think that only project kids are at Grambling.....I have plenty of friends from middle to upper income levels that have sent their kids to Grambling.....What is sad is that some of you only think Grambling is for certain type of kids......How in the hell are you guys raising your kids?.....I have knowledge of family members that sent their kids to Grambling and they went on to have more success than the kids they sent to LSU.....The bottomline is that a kid can be successful whether they attend GSU or LSU.....An "A" is an "A".....Corporate America only cares about whether most graduates can get the job done.....An African-American graduate out of the University of Texas that is incompetent is no better than an incompetent one out of a HBCU.....I have worked with graduates of all colleges and universities. I totally agree with you on this West. It pisses me off that a lot our alumni don't encourage their children to attend GSU. I raised my two sons to bleed the Black and Gold and it has paid off with my son being accepted for the fall 2014 who made the scores to attend other PWI's. On this day (Monday, May 12, 2014), in good consciousness, could you advise a young person to bypass higher ranked and proficient (labs, resources) schools of nursing to attend GSU’s school of nursing, in its present state and giving considerations to GSU’s nursing graduates readiness and results on required professional examination. Moreover, subsequently feel equally as comfortable that this person is reasonably prepared and competent to administer their trade via their knowledge/exposure to you and or your love ones? (Yes or No?) I could not and did not encourage such in good consciousness and out of my actual concerns/reservations at GSU and directly related matters, coupled with my personal desires for this young person to have a bright future and be prepared and proficient, or at least have a good start/opportunity at such. The best I could offer based on my mind and heart, as a GSU stakeholder and thinking about the deceased parent’s dreams for the young person, was to ask the young person to “consider” GSU as you make your evaluations of higher educational institution and prepare yourself to pursue your goals and dreams. Admittedly, 10 or 15 years ago I may have had a much different tenor and approach. Not proud at-all, however, that is the reality of things/decisions folks, bitter pill to swallow. Many may view being a GSU stakeholder like religion. I am not there. It is relative. BTW, the young person’s deceased parent bled black and gold (GSU Alum).
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Post by gmanwest on May 12, 2014 16:34:35 GMT -6
I totally agree with you on this West. It pisses me off that a lot our alumni don't encourage their children to attend GSU. I raised my two sons to bleed the Black and Gold and it has paid off with my son being accepted for the fall 2014 who made the scores to attend other PWI's. On this day (Monday, May 12, 2014), in good consciousness, could you advise a young person to bypass higher ranked and proficient (labs, resources) schools of nursing to attend GSU’s school of nursing, in its present state and giving considerations to GSU’s nursing graduates readiness and results on required professional examination. Moreover, subsequently feel equally as comfortable that this persons is reasonable prepared and competent to administer their trade via their knowledge/exposure to you and or your love ones? (Yes or No?) I could not and did not encourage such in good consciousness and out of my actual concerns/reservations at GSU and directly related matters, coupled with my personal desires for this young person to have a bright future and be prepared and proficient, or at least have a good start/opportunity at such. The best I could offer based on my mind and heart, as a GSU stakeholder and thinking about the deceased parent’s dreams for the young person, was to ask the young person to “consider” GSU as you make your evaluations of higher educational institution and prepare yourself to pursue your goals and dreams. Admittedly, 10 or 15 years ago I may have had a much different tenor and approach. Not proud at-all, however, that is the reality of things/decisions folks, bitter pill to swallow. Many may view being a GSU stakeholder like religion. I am not there. It is relative. BTW, the young person’s deceased parent bled black and gold (GSu Alum). Pink12 I know Gramblinites that felt just like you 20 years ago and one grew up next door to me.....She and her husband got rich off of a GSU education, but it wasn't good enough for their offsprings.....The reason being is because after they graduated 40 years ago they never came back....Ed raised his son to attend Grambling and he seem like a very caring father. I do have a legitimate concern about our nursing program, but I am not quite as pessimistic as you by thinking that we will become a community college soon and thinking that only marginal students from impoverished backgrounds attend Grambling.....My niece is a current nursing student at Grambling and both of her parents earn over 6 figures.....There go your theory.
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Post by gmanwest on May 12, 2014 16:39:14 GMT -6
Good dialoge is helpful Pink12, so I am glad to read your input.
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Post by mrevans on May 12, 2014 18:27:44 GMT -6
GSU stakeholders are better than many about sending their children to their alma mater. The real problem is that Grambling State University does not recruit. We don't even know what it recruiting means. The University recently hired a new Director of Admissions. I hope that he turns around our sorrowful situation. However, he has a Herculean task. If memory serves, then we have one recruiter. However, our problems are much greater than the lack of a recruiting staff. Recruiting is not a 9 to 5, 5 days per week job. It is 24/7. By this, I mean that the University's public image--ncluding mail-outs, TV spots, and the University website--all play critical roles in projecting the image of a learning environment that parents want their children to be part of. Recruiting is not exclusive to the recruiting staff, but of every University student and employee. Prospects must see a learning environment that they want to join. Let us not forget that the most effective advertisement is a satisfied friend or family member who attends the University. The students who are eligible to enroll in GSU under current rules are eligible to enroll in just about any other institution in the State or Nation. The sad fact is that the vast majority of students whom we should be welcoming to GSU are going elsewhere. Virtually every Majority White Institution in Louisiana enrolls about as many if not more African American residents of Louisiana than GSU does. Some MWIs have African American enrollment that equal or exceed GSU's total enrollment. I learned recently that the freshman class enrollment of African Americans at LSU-BR is about the same as GSU's total enrollment. This is profound. Although admission standards and tuition are both higher at LSU-BR than at Grambling, LSU-BR enrolls about 4 times as many African Americans as GSU. Most of the other MWIs around the State have experienced larger tuition increases than we have experienced. Yet they are equalling or bettering us in African American enrollment. The alumni are doing what we can to bring students into GSU. However, we cannot do it alone. The University must get off its duff and get into the game. LSU African America freshman enrollment is not even close to Grambling. However, it should be high when you have almost 30,000 students. Fall 2013 had 2,774 Undergraduate and 474 Grad. which is a total enrollment of 3,228. www.bgtplan.lsu.edu/quickfacts/fall2013/2013%20LSU%20Fall%20Facts.pdfKeep living in the past. Summer School begins next week. Take a tour of our summer classes and count the students attending. The Fall Semester begins in August. Drop by again in late August or early September. If you want to wait, then call the Office of Admissions. As about the number of incoming freshmen for the Fall. The number they give me is 500 prospects. Some how, they are trying to get another 800 by the beginning of the academic year. We will be lucky if our enrollment reaches 3000.
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Post by pink12 on May 12, 2014 18:59:03 GMT -6
On this day (Monday, May 12, 2014), in good consciousness, could you advise a young person to bypass higher ranked and proficient (labs, resources) schools of nursing to attend GSU’s school of nursing, in its present state and giving considerations to GSU’s nursing graduates readiness and results on required professional examination. Moreover, subsequently feel equally as comfortable that this persons is reasonable prepared and competent to administer their trade via their knowledge/exposure to you and or your love ones? (Yes or No?) I could not and did not encourage such in good consciousness and out of my actual concerns/reservations at GSU and directly related matters, coupled with my personal desires for this young person to have a bright future and be prepared and proficient, or at least have a good start/opportunity at such. The best I could offer based on my mind and heart, as a GSU stakeholder and thinking about the deceased parent’s dreams for the young person, was to ask the young person to “consider” GSU as you make your evaluations of higher educational institution and prepare yourself to pursue your goals and dreams. Admittedly, 10 or 15 years ago I may have had a much different tenor and approach. Not proud at-all, however, that is the reality of things/decisions folks, bitter pill to swallow. Many may view being a GSU stakeholder like religion. I am not there. It is relative. BTW, the young person’s deceased parent bled black and gold (GSu Alum). Pink12 I know Gramblinites that felt just like you 20 years ago and one grew up next door to me.....She and her husband got rich off of a GSU education, but it wasn't good enough for their offsprings.....The reason being is because after they graduated 40 years ago they never came back....Ed raised his son to attend Grambling and he seem like a very caring father. I do have a legitimate concern about our nursing program, but I am not quite as pessimistic as you by thinking that we will become a community college soon and thinking that only marginal students from impoverished backgrounds attend Grambling.....My niece is a current nursing student at Grambling and both of her parents earn over 6 figures.....There go your theory. I would suggest your neighbors owe GSU generous annual contributions, if such is affordable as a means of appreciation/stewardship; however, no GSU stakeholder should ever believe it owes GSU to where they knowingly sacrifice their off-spring by compromising the off-sping’s very best interests in any manner. I work with people that attended the major state universities; however, their off-springs are attending highly respected private universities, and these educational opportunities were considered as positives and progress relative to the potentials/exposure and the opportunities/experiences afforded my co-workers. Again, it is all relative. Now, unlike many of us (me, for the most parts, I hope to improve in time) these particular co-workers conveyed they give generous gifts annually (by my standards/income anyway) to their Alma Mater, although, one did shared with me, the gifts have been reduced while the off-springs are in college, very understandable. LoL We must not ever forget from which we come, practice altruism; however, we must progress and grow concurrently and continuously. Mamma cooked with fatback in the greens, however, many of us may do otherwise/substitute due to health concerns, quality of life and increased awareness, does that mean momma’s greens are not “good enough”, if you prefer not to partake?
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Post by edcrane on May 12, 2014 19:12:35 GMT -6
Keep living in the past. Summer School begins next week. Take a tour of our summer classes and count the students attending. The Fall Semester begins in August. Drop by again in late August or early September. If you want to wait, then call the Office of Admissions. As about the number of incoming freshmen for the Fall. The number they give me is 500 prospects. Some how, they are trying to get another 800 by the beginning of the academic year. We will be lucky if our enrollment reaches 3000. It's truly amazing how you and some others can talk so much d@mn negative sh@t about Grambling State University. We have our problems just like other HBCU's but we are doing fine and we have overcome some obstacles but we need to climb over a few more and we will! The nursing program has been a problem for the last twelve years but the administration is tackling the issue and I pray it will and will help out the best I can. I'm still trying to get other high school students to consider Grambling and I believe its starting to work. My son is pushing GSU as well to other young people he know that Grambling is making progress but stop trying to compare Grambling to LSU, Tech and others when we all know that we have never been funded properly in the first place.
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Post by edcrane on May 12, 2014 19:17:20 GMT -6
I totally agree with you on this West. It pisses me off that a lot our alumni don't encourage their children to attend GSU. I raised my two sons to bleed the Black and Gold and it has paid off with my son being accepted for the fall 2014 who made the scores to attend other PWI's. Good for you ED.....Atleast you walk your talk....Thanks bro for your support of GSU.....I hope your son represent you well and maybe one day he can hire one of these hypocrits son or daughther after they get their pwc education. West, some of our alumni and I'm being kind don't even come back to the yard once they graduate so their children know nothing about Grambling State. Now to top it off I'll attended games in the Rob and Hobdy Arena and some Alumni that I know don't even bring their children with them. I tell everyone that whenever I hit the yard my boys are always with me and I mean always.
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Post by gmanwest on May 12, 2014 20:42:48 GMT -6
Keep living in the past. Summer School begins next week. Take a tour of our summer classes and count the students attending. The Fall Semester begins in August. Drop by again in late August or early September. If you want to wait, then call the Office of Admissions. As about the number of incoming freshmen for the Fall. The number they give me is 500 prospects. Some how, they are trying to get another 800 by the beginning of the academic year. We will be lucky if our enrollment reaches 3000. You know darn well that our enrollment numbers are presently because of another of Dr. Pogue decision to replace an experienced director of admission for one that is training on the job.....I heard it was low this time last year, but the experience in the admission office almost brought in the numbers.....We all need to do our part and stop that I don't give a damn attitude.
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Post by gmanwest on May 12, 2014 20:45:58 GMT -6
Good for you ED.....Atleast you walk your talk....Thanks bro for your support of GSU.....I hope your son represent you well and maybe one day he can hire one of these hypocrits son or daughther after they get their pwc education. West, some of our alumni and I'm being kind don't even come back to the yard once they graduate so their children know nothing about Grambling State. Now to top it off I'll attended games in the Rob and Hobdy Arena and some Alumni that I know don't even bring their children with them. I tell everyone that whenever I hit the yard my boys are always with me and I mean always. Once again Ed, we thank you for your contribution to Grambling.....Unfortunately for Grambling State University, you are the exception now and not the rule.....I encourage you to continue to do what you can.
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Post by carl on May 12, 2014 23:17:13 GMT -6
Grambling was never a problem with my kids. They attended all of the games with me and my wife. Some time we even brought their friends with us. My oldest Daugther is a prod Gramblinite with a masters in computer science. She work in the Dallas Metroplex. The baby girl will be a junior in August. I'm very happy they selected Grambling.
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Post by pink12 on May 13, 2014 9:39:32 GMT -6
I suggest there was a time where the possibilities existed where GSU may have become the likes of a present Tennessee State University; hearsay indicates, such was met with some resistance/fears from some of GSU stakeholders. That window to progress may have closed, now. Now, I lament will GSU become the likes of a Kentucky State University or West Virginia State University, or will GSU go full circle, and operate more aligned with its original mission, when it initially became a state funded higher educational institution of higher learning in 1928. Carefully read the history: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GramblingEither WE progress or regress!
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Post by gmanwest on May 13, 2014 12:02:26 GMT -6
I suggest there was a time where the possibilities existed where GSU may have become the likes of a present Tennessee State University; hearsay indicates, such was met with some resistance/fears from some of GSU stakeholders. That window to progress may have closed, now. Now, I lament will GSU become the likes of a Kentucky State University or West Virginia State University, or will GSU go full circle, and operate more aligned with its original mission, when it initially became a state funded higher educational institution of higher learning in 1928. Carefully read the history: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GramblingEither WE progress or regress! With alumni like you unfortunately we can only regress.....Carl and Ed are posting positive stories and you are giving us information about Grambling not being good enough for your offsprings and that our current students are coming from shot gun houses and projects.....You need to look within yourself if you really care about Grambling.....Most of us on here understand the history of Grambling and still support it.....You can't support us with just keystrokes.
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Post by edcrane on May 13, 2014 12:49:23 GMT -6
I suggest there was a time where the possibilities existed where GSU may have become the likes of a present Tennessee State University; hearsay indicates, such was met with some resistance/fears from some of GSU stakeholders. That window to progress may have closed, now. Now, I lament will GSU become the likes of a Kentucky State University or West Virginia State University, or will GSU go full circle, and operate more aligned with its original mission, when it initially became a state funded higher educational institution of higher learning in 1928. Carefully read the history: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GramblingEither WE progress or regress! When it comes to the likes of you it has become what you typed. However, I say some of the things which you type on this board are a load of crap! Grambling State has improved over the last ten years and it will continue to improve as long as we have Alumni like myself, Carl, Gmanwest, Ray Higgins, Cflemon, Tigerdiva and others that care so much for our beloved university. I'm always telling kids to consider Grambling and don't believe all the negative sh@t they hear. Also I have always told my sons that Grambling isn't perfect but it sho ain't half as bad as some have lead others to believe. Now once the Library gets renovated which the ULS Board has approved the $10 million for the renovation and the new improved Intramural/Wellness Center comes on line then we will have more great facilities to show future recruits. In all my years of talking to students in Texas and South Arkansas is that academics didn't keep them from attending Grambling but it was those horrible dorms and other facilities. Long Live Grambling State University and it will!
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Post by pink12 on May 13, 2014 13:20:27 GMT -6
I suggest there was a time where the possibilities existed where GSU may have become the likes of a present Tennessee State University; hearsay indicates, such was met with some resistance/fears from some of GSU stakeholders. That window to progress may have closed, now. Now, I lament will GSU become the likes of a Kentucky State University or West Virginia State University, or will GSU go full circle, and operate more aligned with its original mission, when it initially became a state funded higher educational institution of higher learning in 1928. Carefully read the history: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GramblingEither WE progress or regress! With alumni like you unfortunately we can only regress.....Carl and Ed are posting positive stories and you are giving us information about Grambling not being good enough for your offsprings and that our current students are coming from shot gun houses and projects.....You need to look within yourself if you really care about Grambling.....Most of us on here understand the history of Grambling and still support it.....You can't support us with just keystrokes. www.thenewsstar.com/article/20140508/NEWS01/305080037/GSU-president-could-selected-by-October?nclick_check=1Interesting timeline to appoint a President, October 2014, when considering GSU’s academic term, and this indicated at least 90 days or more with an interim President, no sure is a vacancy period required by in retirement situation. One can only lament will GSU get another appointee off the beach or placeholder. Or just may they have identified somebody and the person may not be avaialbe until the end of this calendar year. We all have some sense of frustration and it is very easy to aim low and shoot a messenger; although, such will not make the message and the adversities and results go away. As mentioned above, we, as stakeholders can bury our heads in the sand, plug our ears, shake our heads, and hope for some things to change and not acknowledge the realities at GSU. On the other hand, we, as stakeholders can be proactive and try to understand the changes and plans for GSU and to the extent possible, influence the course of change, to the best interests of all stakeholders, collectively. Refrain from shortsightedness and selfishness, take some of the emotions out of it, and look at matters more objectively relative to providing adequate and effective educational opportunities to young people. Your talents and energies may be more useful writing the ULS Board/President, and ask why they may be unable to appoint a GSU President until October 2014 and let us know. Keep shooting the messenger, if such is therapeutic for you, I am not bulletproof; however, I am thick skinned. Either way, changes are occurring.
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Post by pink12 on May 13, 2014 13:38:49 GMT -6
I suggest there was a time where the possibilities existed where GSU may have become the likes of a present Tennessee State University; hearsay indicates, such was met with some resistance/fears from some of GSU stakeholders. That window to progress may have closed, now. Now, I lament will GSU become the likes of a Kentucky State University or West Virginia State University, or will GSU go full circle, and operate more aligned with its original mission, when it initially became a state funded higher educational institution of higher learning in 1928. Carefully read the history: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GramblingEither WE progress or regress! When it comes to the likes of you it has become what you typed. However, I say some of the things which you type on this board are a load of crap! Grambling State has improved over the last ten years and it will continue to improve as long as we have Alumni like myself, Carl, Gmanwest, Ray Higgins, Cflemon, Tigerdiva and others that care so much for our beloved university. I'm always telling kids to consider Grambling and don't believe all the negative sh@t they hear. Also I have always told my sons that Grambling isn't perfect but it sho ain't half as bad as some have lead others to believe. Now once the Library gets renovated which the ULS Board has approved the $10 million for the renovation and the new improved Intramural/Wellness Center comes on line then we will have more great facilities to show future recruits. In all my years of talking to students in Texas and South Arkansas is that academics didn't keep them from attending Grambling but it was those horrible dorms and other facilities. Long Live Grambling State University and it will! All I will say, any potential students and parents should be very concerns about the academics, I believe most people/families, especially black folks, attend college and sacrifice accordingly to learn, to prepare, to obtain additional life-skills, to apply subsequently towards education endeavors or to apply towards earning a livelihood, and not just for the experience. Remember GSU's primary mission/objective is to provide adequate educational opportunities, first and far most. For us as Alumni/stakeholders to discount or trivialize the importance of academics is reckless, selfish, irresponsible, and ungodly; especially after many of us have received our education via a much different or more proficient GSU.
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Post by edcrane on May 13, 2014 14:02:55 GMT -6
When it comes to the likes of you it has become what you typed. However, I say some of the things which you type on this board are a load of crap! Grambling State has improved over the last ten years and it will continue to improve as long as we have Alumni like myself, Carl, Gmanwest, Ray Higgins, Cflemon, Tigerdiva and others that care so much for our beloved university. I'm always telling kids to consider Grambling and don't believe all the negative sh@t they hear. Also I have always told my sons that Grambling isn't perfect but it sho ain't half as bad as some have lead others to believe. Now once the Library gets renovated which the ULS Board has approved the $10 million for the renovation and the new improved Intramural/Wellness Center comes on line then we will have more great facilities to show future recruits. In all my years of talking to students in Texas and South Arkansas is that academics didn't keep them from attending Grambling but it was those horrible dorms and other facilities. Long Live Grambling State University and it will! All I will say, any potential students and parents should be very concerns about the academics, I believe most people/families, especially black folks, attend college and sacrifice accordingly to learn, to prepare, to obtain additional life-skills, to apply subsequently towards education endeavors or to apply towards earning a livelihood, and not just for the experience. Remember GSU's primary mission/objective is to provide adequate educational opportunities, first and far most. For us as Alumni/stakeholders to discount or trivialize the importance of academics is reckless, selfish, irresponsible, and ungodly; especially after many of us have received our education via a much different or more proficient GSU. Grambling State has always provide an adequate education in the past and it's still doing it today. Grambling State University is accredited by / is a candidate for accreditation with the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges to award associate, baccalaureate, masters, and doctorate degrees. Contact the Commission on Colleges at 1866 Southern Lane, Decatur, Georgia 30033-4097 or call 404-679-4500 for questions about the accreditation of Grambling State University. Grambling State University has 46 accredited programs, of which, 95.7% of all degree programs and 100% of all graduate degree programs are accredited. Grambling is accredited by 18 separate accrediting associations, a member in good standing in 20 organizations and is 100% accredited in all of the programs required by the Louisiana Board of Regents. During spring 2010, Grambling underwent reaffirmation of accreditations or reviews by the following associations: •International Association Advance Collegiate Schools of Business (AACSB) •National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) •National Council for Accreditation of Teacher Education (NCATE) •Southern Association of Colleges and Schools (SACS)
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